{"id":3421,"date":"2017-01-08T09:01:26","date_gmt":"2017-01-08T09:01:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.couttsweb.co.uk\/?p=3421"},"modified":"2017-01-09T11:17:01","modified_gmt":"2017-01-09T11:17:01","slug":"__trashed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blog.couttsweb.co.uk\/?p=3421","title":{"rendered":"Beating the drum and kicking the ball"},"content":{"rendered":"
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One of the joys of doing family history research is coming across interesting stories and people…..and then one things leads to another, with often quite unexpected results.<\/p>\n

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David Penman (1925)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

That\u2019s what happened to me this week.\u00a0 While trying to fill in some gaps in the family tree of my wife\u2019s grandfather (Pop), Andy Fraser from Tullibody in Clackmannanshire, I came across a wonderful photograph of his great uncle, David Penman, that would be my wife\u2019s great great great uncle.\u00a0\u00a0 David (1854-1946) was miner who lived in the Carronshore area, near Falkirk.\u00a0 The family seem to have had connections with the mining village of Kinnaird.\u00a0 Nothing unusual about that, most of that branch of the family were miners in this area.<\/p>\n

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Andy Fraser (Pop) about 1960<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

I found out the usual information about the family from census returns and births, deaths and marriages, but it was the photograph which opened a window on the life of Stirlingshire miners more than 100 years ago.\u00a0 This was not the usual formal studio portrait of the time, but shows David proudly displaying the big bass drum which bears the inscription, Kinnaird and District Brass Band<\/em>.\u00a0\u00a0 Clearly there was more to life for David that hewing coal.<\/p>\n

The village of Kinnaird no longer exists, nor does the band, but there is some information on the internet about the competitions they entered etc.\u00a0 The band seems to have been in existence in the first three decades of the 20th<\/sup> Century and it looks like David would beat the big bass drum.\u00a0 When he retired from the Kinnaird Band in 1925, he was presented with an enlarged portrait (with his drum) and a wallet of notes.<\/p>\n

Then the trail led to another member of the band, James Turnbull, also a miner, who played the trumpet.\u00a0\u00a0 He was the father of a Scottish footballing legend, Eddie Turnbull.\u00a0\u00a0 In the 1940s and 50s\u00a0\u00a0Eddie played for Hibs (Hibernian Football Club in Edinburgh)\u00a0 He was one of the famous five<\/em> front line for Hibs, along with Gordon Smith, Bobby Johnstone, Lawrie Reilly, and Willie Ormond, winning three league titles\u00a0with the team.<\/p>\n

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“The famous five”<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n
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Eddie Turnbull<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Eddie also had an international career: 1955 he was the first British player to score in a European club competition, the European Cup against Rot-Weiss of Essen.\u00a0 Hibs were eventually knocked out in the semi finals of that competition by Rheims.<\/p>\n

He played nine times for Scotland and played in the 1958 FIFA World Cup, in Sweden.<\/p>\n

The next stage of his footballing career was as a manager, moving to Aberdeen in 1965 after a short time with Queen\u2019s Park.\u00a0 It was Eddie who introduced the iconic all red strip to the Dons, and he led them to a great victory over Celtic in the Scottish Cup final in 1970.\u00a0 After that he returned to Edinburgh to become manager of Hibernian from 1971-80 where he won the 1972 Scottish League Cup Final against Celtic. He also masterminded their most famous victory, a 7 – 0 win over their Edinburgh rivals, Heart of Midlothian on 1 January 1973.<\/p>\n

Eddie Turnbull died on 30 April 2011, aged 88.<\/p>\n

But back to the band.\u00a0\u00a0 Eddie wrote an autobiography, Having a ball, <\/em>in which\u00a0he recounts his early years in Carronshore, and his father\u2019s part in the band.\u00a0\u00a0 I wonder if David Penman played the bass drum at the same time?\u00a0 In an early chapter of his book, Eddie gives wonderful pictures of life in the mining villages of the time and is well worth a read.\u00a0 [Read Chapter 2<\/a>]<\/p>\n

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Speaking about his father, Eddie wrote:\u00a0 \u201cAlthough he was no academic, like so many miners, my father had a life away from the pits which was full of culture. He had finished his formal education early, but he was a clever man and taught himself many things, including music. He played the trumpet and was a member of the local brass band, the Kinnaird and District Silver Band. As a child of a band member, I would share in the terrific excitement in the village when the band marched through Carronshore each Christmas-tide.\u201d\u00a0 (Having a Ball<\/em>, Eddie Turnbull with\u00a0Martin Hannan, Random House 2012)<\/p>\n

I might have left the story there but for one thing that I noticed.\u00a0 Pop’s grandmother was called Elizabeth Turnbull, born and brought up in Kinnaird village, as was Pop himself.\u00a0\u00a0 I wondered if there were any connections between Eddie\u2019s family and ours?\u00a0 But try as I like, I could not find a connection between Eddie\u2019s father James and great great great grandmother Elizabeth.\u00a0 I am sure there will be a connection, if I could only but find it.\u00a0 There are more than a few Turnbulls in the Kinnaird, Carronshore area.<\/p>\n

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OS 1 inch Map 1891 (click on the map to enlarge it)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

But I did manage to\u00a0find a\u00a0couple of connections, if only somewhat oblique.\u00a0 Eddie\u2019s uncle, James Jenkins emigrated to Canada in the years before the First World War, where he married a girl who hailed from the same village in Stirlingshire as him and who also had moved to Canada:\u00a0 \u00a0Margaret Penman. Margaret was David (the Drummer) Penman\u2019s daughter.\u00a0 They spent the rest of her life in Alberta, in Canada.<\/p>\n

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Margaret and James Jenkins (mid 1960s)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

And there is another connection between the two families.\u00a0 Eddie Turnbull\u2019s aunt, Elizabeth Hunter (his mother’s sister) married Alexander Penman in 1878.\u00a0 Alexander was\u00a0Pop’s,
\nuncle, his mother\u2019s brother.<\/p>\n

So the footballer and the drummer are connected.\u00a0\u00a0 It may be of interest to my Aberdeen FC supporting children and grandchildren that there is a family connection to one of the great Aberdeen Managers of the past and I am sure we would all like to beat the big bass drum.<\/p>\n

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